Google talk status updates

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My uninformed guess based on which services offer jabber makes me think that there are significantly more people using gtalk than all other jabber servers combined , so it makes sense to me that gtalk's tweaked version of jabber might deserve some special treatment. If I update my gmail chat status manually, Buzz gets updated, if I update my Pidgin status, neither gmail nor Buzz get's updated.

I could be wrong, but it sounds related. Either way, I'm still pro-shared status. With ayanc's patch, changing Google Talk status in Pidgin will update Buzz.

I hope it seems reasonable and useful. I doubt most of the people who use Google Talk even know they can be logged in more than once as they just use the gmail interface, so the sheer number of Google Talk users is largely irrelevant. Without actually doing a meaningful survey I'm not at all confident that the people who expect shared statuses to work outnumber people who don't want them to work and more importantly I don't think you can confidently assert either case either.

I'd love to see official documentation about shared statuses affecting Google Buzz, that'd be fantastic though I'm not going to hold my breath for it. Google Talk already has "special treatment" it has an account type entry of its own, no other XMPP service has that at the moment despite many of them having been around far longer.

We are considering adding a similar entry for Facebook in the future as well. But special treatment only extends so far, the problem with the patch is that it makes the situation with other XMPP services not supporting invisible even worse in that when only XMPP accounts are enabled it will show up in the specialized status selector and in the per-account status selectors.

Let me make it clear, I am fully in support of allowing clients to manually sync their status messages together and would be more than happy to help someone write a pidgin plugin to do that either by default that is on any status change or at specific request either a "sync" button or a special "set synced status" feature. I specifically do not like Google Talk's implementation because it is enforced server-side and a client cannot get around it and mostly I dislike that it encompasses invisibility though I understand that as well, in a universe where status is always shared having a single invisible resource is mental-model breaking.

As an aside, dlenski I found your blog post rather dismissive, insulting, and biased. Not to mention that only one of the "reasons" you listed at the end even remotely resembles an actual reason. Oh and there hasn't been an endless stream of bugs about invisibility not working, in fact I'd wager that the recent AIM breakage caused more tickets to be filed in the course of the week-plus it was a problem than there have been tickets filed about Google Talk invisibility ever.

Responding to comments on here:. But Google Talk is not equivalent to XMPP, so a ticket requesting XMPP invisibility is technically a separate thing than a ticket requesting Google Talk invisibility especially since a fix for one is not a fix for the other. If they don't understand that "Away - Busy" or "DND - Meeting" means "Don't talk to me now unless it is really important" and you cannot simply ignore the fact that they are sending you messages you need to get better friends. As I said in my previous comment, I have no problem with opt-in, on-demand, and avoidable shared status systems, I have problems with the Google Talk system and the baggage bundling it with invisibility forces on us if we want to support invisibility.

Popularity and user-base have never been the sole or even particularly major driving factors in pidgin development as a whole, individual developers can be motivated by anything they want to be motivated by. How would you present a configurable option for something like this? Where would you put it? What would you call it? No one will understand that. It is exactly the conjoined nature of these two features that I dislike the most. The fact that Google Talk decided the choices of available statuses in the XMPP protocol were too great and "simplified" them down thereby breaking things like DND and XA is most unfortunate, but not exactly a greatly motivating factor for working around that brokenness by introducing as many side-effects as problems one removes.

ET, this problem is "affecting a majority of users. At The Huffington Post, we're also seeing oddities in Gchat. For example, at times we can see that other users are online, but our typed messages aren't being sent or received. Google's next update is scheduled for A new Google Talk status update , posted at a.

ET, reads, "Google Talk service has already been restored for some users, and we expect a resolution for all users in the near future. Please note this time frame is an estimate and may change. The problem with Google Talk should be resolved. We apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience and continued support.

Please rest assured that system reliability is a top priority at Google, and we are making continuous improvements to make our systems better. I somehow missed it..

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Though the program is almost useless after Google released Buzz. Even I felt the same. I had to kill my Firefox to get out of that. So is it that i am the blessed sould on this earth who is one in a million? That was a great idea!