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They are addons like downloading and installing notepad2, extra defragmenters and so-on. You are trying to mod an OS to change the licensing schema thus allowing you to license an unlicensed OS. Doing so is the same on a larger scale as using a crack. Personally I could give a damn but professionally as a smod of the site here we walk a very fine line. That's the difference between those addons and what you are trying to do. We sympathize, we really do, but our hands are tied. The multi-oem disks are being created from a source disk containing one version of XP home, Pro, etc that is meant to be installed only one one manufacturers OEM computers.

That source is then modified so the multi-OEM disk produced can be installed on any of a number of other oem computers it was not meant to be installed on. I'll not try pushing the issue any further here and will continue researching to see if I can create the Multi-OEM disk I need to get my clients Toshiba up and running for him, so it will activate and have full Tablet functionality. Although I wasn't able to get my predicament straightened out, I very much appreciate the time you've taken to respond to my inquiry.

Am a little disappointed, but am still very impressed with the content of your site. You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Paste as plain text instead. Only 75 emoji are allowed. Display as a link instead. The second of which, however, you yourself contributed to by jumping on the bandwagon pushing for this. But now everyone but myself is pressuring him to accept this..

Like I asked before, what benefit do we gain from changing a name and a graphic? How is this "positive" pressure really any different from the "negative" pressure when roy, unlike the rest of you, doesn't see this issue as some kind of crisis? When and if roytam1 chooses, on his own, without influence from either side, to make changes to his project name or branding, I will be perfectly willing to accept it. True enough.

But, while not forgetting, moving on is sometimes required, and I think this is one such case. However, does no one but me see the intricacies of the irony in the situation? How can I phrase it Does no one but me have a problem with the fact that roy is being pressured to allow Mr. Tobin, the very person who has been a thorn in his side for however long now, to essentially place his chosen names and his chosen graphics on roy's projects?

Should roy, who has continually worked on his project and succeeded through all the criticism and nastiness, allow his "former? Should roy, every time he builds or uses his project, have to look at a name or a graphic chosen by those who did their best to harass him and cause him any trouble they could? Should Mr. Tobin be allowed to "make his mark" and a very visible and prominent mark on a project he has, in the past, done his level best to destroy?

It's not that Mr. Tobin lacks the ability. It's not that he hasn't been making a seemingly genuine and sincere effort. It's simply the sum of the situation itself. There is a time for appeasing, and one for open confilct. I hope we won't keep arguing uselessly until we are beyond all possible compromise. Most of those in this thread are for the re- branding. I think that PoV has already won by acclamation. I'm not interested in "popular.

Everyone here should know this, from or OS choices if nothing else. This is roy's project, not a group project. Occasionally some members are able to help, but essentially without roy this project would cease to exist. So I'm interested in what HE thinks and decides. I don't care for how everyone is "pushing" him, and you are the one who started that by pointing out roy's ignoring of Tobin's message. What has Tobin previously contributed to this project?

What had Tobin previously done to "sabotage" roy's projects? Most everything he could. So why is roy expected to "sit up and take notice" when Tobin posts? It's not as if Tobin were offering any real help with actual functionality of the project Once again, this is not wholly correct.

I am NOT trying to "derail any compromise. The situation is the issue. Aside from the points I've already made clarifying my standpoint I am simply disgusted with all this "bandwagonism. I know, I re-read it yesterday while looking for links. It is bad to be oppressed by a minority; but it is worse to be oppressed by a majority.

For there is a reserve of latent power in the masses which, if it is called into play, the minority can seldom resist. But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason. Yet, I do feel here some Realpolitik is in order XMoon27, And planning to post a poll. IMO that people so readily take the first suggestions is mainly due to a lack of better alternative suggestions. But thinking about, there were already other suggestions in the past And one prob I see for setting up a poll is the multitude of browsers, getting a bit complicated If you delve back into the original page thread, you'll find plenty of suggestions for new names.

None caught on, probably because we soon had far too many to choose from! I tried to avoid that this time, figuring Matt A.

Tobin 's suggested names were good enough and I didn't want to start another avalanche of name suggestions. So far the leading alternative suggestion seems to be RoyFox and variations thereon. Which would also be fine by me.

So maybe four polls five if you consider Serpent 52 and 55 separate. They look like illustrations you'd see in an anatomy text discussing female reproductive organs. My computer-illiterate parents and grandparents, aunts, and uncles are NEVER going to "find" these forks. The "red" area would be one color for New Moon, another color for Serpent, yet another for Borealis.

Roytam adds another unknown browser down the road, it's the same exact icon but a fourth color is introduced. New "official" Pale Moon versions have one systray icon when "pinned" Win10 and closed, another icon when opened.

If you change the name of the exe, a multitude of software will no longer work, especially those specific for the protection of the browser used. Same with application. Unfortunately, this is set in stone and it is too unreasonable to change that stuff now.

Maybe two years ago but not now as it would cause too much end-user trouble. Not to mention it would be annoying from a patch porting point of view. So that's fine. So just need to change the name in branding configure. Pretty simple once you have the name and logo. Now, I can sort of dig the circles with lines in em and perhaps do something with the concept though they MAY be a bit abstract. However, I hope that modified Firefox logo is not a serious contender because clearly that would not acceptable to Mozilla as it would get the the drones all fired up in a second and of course blame us not you for it.

The general problem with the New Moon branding was it was intended to be basically like the Firefox Nightly branding and while yes it pulled double duty as generic branding anyone could use, it is still intrinsically linked to us and despite the feeling from some people here that there is and never has been any confusion, I can tell you there is..

People know that Pale Moon is the older Firefox-based browser with the interface of Firefox and that builds are sometimes called New Moon. But with the divergent path of what continues to happen to support Windows XP what is produced isn't even going to be an unbranded Pale Moon for Windows XP as most people see it. Perhaps that is how you see it but as time goes on the differences mount. Let me put it to you another way, what if we had just kept the original non-trademarked Nightly branding for Pale Moon, both Basilisk's, and you also created your other half-dozen Firefox-based builds..

ALL called Nightly because that is what was there. How could you tell them apart then? I just a few posts ago offered to help him simplify his entire process with a unified application repository as well as doing all new branding for four applications WHILE still maintaining the profile directory path already in use. So I don't take to kindly to your assumption of my level of sincerity.

I can totally understand wanting to put off doing branding as long as possible.. I also know how difficult it is to come up with names and logos that are effective as well, though I have an easier time of it than actually implementing it. The fact is it does still cause confusion and lead to the wrong conclusions from people.. They don't understand the difference between what roytam1 is doing and what WE are doing. Users using these unofficial builds on Windows XP do nothing for us but take up our time and sabotage our efficiency with dealing with support questions from users who don't know any better.

It is hard enough to accomplish when they are using our products. I gave you a totally unique concept for branding of applications all built by one person using one platform codebase and offered to do the work. I would have thought this would be great since it is obvious roytam1 has no problem whatsoever using other people's names, images, and work to produce what he wants. After all if I had called Borealis and Interlink Neptune and Lonestar respectively with their own artwork as the Unofficial Branding then he would be using it.

How is this any different? He is too lazy to change it of which I have offered to do it for him OR he is deliberately trying to damage us by continued association of which he and all of you don't believe anyway and I really don't want to believe is true anymore even if it is cause it is depressing. I know all the things that need changed and setting git patches for changed paths is easy. Also, I can reverse the alt packaging stuff for you and since you selectively take patches from us anyway you can just skip further ones relating to that.

I can answer questions you may have like regarding the build system, let you know what is happening and why, etc.. All I want in return is for your projects to BE actual projects. Given Mr. Tobin's past statements, behavior, and attitude, I don't blame roytam1 for ignoring him.

Why deal with someone who has gone to such lengths to be a general pain in the arse? I see no incentive whatsoever to take him seriously.

What happens the next time he "gets angry" and decides all of this is beneath him? What guarantee does roytam1 or any of us have that this "olive branch" will not simply be jerked away again on a whim? What guarantee does roytam1 or any of the rest of us have that Mr.

Tobin will not decide to do something that will cause problems in the future? I judge people based on what they do, not what they say. So far Mr. Tobin hasn't shown much of anything but contempt for this project and its users. Maybe he will change.. Most of what I would say at this point I stated above I will state once again that I think your claim of this project damaging yours in some way is one hundred percent rubbish. In this, your disdain for this project still shines through.

And that reason alone is enough for me not to take your "offer" with more than a grain of salt. But in the end the decision is roytam1's. And I will probably reserve further comment until this is "decided" one way or another. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy! Already have an account? Sign in here. Windows XP Existing user?